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	<description>Jumping into vast oceans of nothingness since 2004</description>
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		<title>Comment on Just You Wait: A Rant by IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They sound like all the parents who tell their own kids &quot;just you wait.&quot; Implication being: &quot;one day you will realize either how perfect my choices are or, less likely, how at least those choices are difficult.&quot;

Which is either banal or wrong, and often both.

We need to think of a good retort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They sound like all the parents who tell their own kids &#8220;just you wait.&#8221; Implication being: &#8220;one day you will realize either how perfect my choices are or, less likely, how at least those choices are difficult.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is either banal or wrong, and often both.</p>
<p>We need to think of a good retort.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is That Good English? by WordNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent -- thanks for dropping by. I think you misunderstand me -- the sonnet is completely complex, as are the other sonnets and Shakespeare&#039;s works.  I&#039;m not saying that the meaning of the sonnet is as plain as day, or the sonnet as a whole -- it&#039;s not -- but I am saying that sonnet is already in an English all of us can understand. To me, the search I had says that there&#039;s something unintelligible in the act of reading the sonnet, as if you would need footnotes for each line to do so. Teasing out the complexity of the sonnet, though, is another matter. I know that&#039;s not easy, and I know it requires a great deal of scholarship. Which most people who are searching and end up here are not willing to do. The website takes its name for various reasons, but the focus isn&#039;t scholarly. We&#039;re a mishmash of topics here at Sonnet87.com.

I do realize how difficult Shakespeare is. I know a lot of people have trouble reading him. I still ruminate on Sonnet 87 all the time and have come to various conclusions over the years (with a new one currently forming). But the searches I get for this particular sonnet, always from high school and university IP addresses (example: &quot;essay on sonnet 87&quot;), leaves me wondering how much effort those searching are putting into whichever paper is currently due (and please trust me when I say this: February, March, October and November are times when my visitor numbers go through the roof).

Thanks for the links, though. I&#039;ll be sure to check them out soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent &#8212; thanks for dropping by. I think you misunderstand me &#8212; the sonnet is completely complex, as are the other sonnets and Shakespeare&#8217;s works.  I&#8217;m not saying that the meaning of the sonnet is as plain as day, or the sonnet as a whole &#8212; it&#8217;s not &#8212; but I am saying that sonnet is already in an English all of us can understand. To me, the search I had says that there&#8217;s something unintelligible in the act of reading the sonnet, as if you would need footnotes for each line to do so. Teasing out the complexity of the sonnet, though, is another matter. I know that&#8217;s not easy, and I know it requires a great deal of scholarship. Which most people who are searching and end up here are not willing to do. The website takes its name for various reasons, but the focus isn&#8217;t scholarly. We&#8217;re a mishmash of topics here at Sonnet87.com.</p>
<p>I do realize how difficult Shakespeare is. I know a lot of people have trouble reading him. I still ruminate on Sonnet 87 all the time and have come to various conclusions over the years (with a new one currently forming). But the searches I get for this particular sonnet, always from high school and university IP addresses (example: &#8220;essay on sonnet 87&#8243;), leaves me wondering how much effort those searching are putting into whichever paper is currently due (and please trust me when I say this: February, March, October and November are times when my visitor numbers go through the roof).</p>
<p>Thanks for the links, though. I&#8217;ll be sure to check them out soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is That Good English? by Kent Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plain as day? Imagery? The poem is actually rather abstract and opaque in its language, given more to word play than particular details that evoke imagery. And don&#039;t be fooled by the words estimate, charter, bonds, determinate, swerving, and patent. They don&#039;t mean what we might think they mean. No, this poem requires quite a bit of scholarship to grasp and begs for translation.

I have been writing verse translations of Shakespeare&#039;s plays for the last ten years and have some insights into how difficult he can be. You can read excerpts of my Shakespeare translations in modern English at www.fullmeasurepress.com or at my university website http://www.csulb.edu/~richmond/Shakespeare.html.

Check out John McWhorter&#039;s article in the January 2010 issue of American Theater Magazine for a look at how difficult Shakespeare is. Here is the link: http://tcg.org/publications/at/jan10/shakespeare.cfm

Kent Richmond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain as day? Imagery? The poem is actually rather abstract and opaque in its language, given more to word play than particular details that evoke imagery. And don&#8217;t be fooled by the words estimate, charter, bonds, determinate, swerving, and patent. They don&#8217;t mean what we might think they mean. No, this poem requires quite a bit of scholarship to grasp and begs for translation.</p>
<p>I have been writing verse translations of Shakespeare&#8217;s plays for the last ten years and have some insights into how difficult he can be. You can read excerpts of my Shakespeare translations in modern English at <a href="http://www.fullmeasurepress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fullmeasurepress.com</a> or at my university website <a href="http://www.csulb.edu/~richmond/Shakespeare.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csulb.edu/~richmond/Shakespeare.html</a>.</p>
<p>Check out John McWhorter&#8217;s article in the January 2010 issue of American Theater Magazine for a look at how difficult Shakespeare is. Here is the link: <a href="http://tcg.org/publications/at/jan10/shakespeare.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://tcg.org/publications/at/jan10/shakespeare.cfm</a></p>
<p>Kent Richmond</p>
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		<title>Comment on And Now, a Lapsed Catholic Moment by IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @ Thomas More. Now there&#039;s something to aspire to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ Thomas More. Now there&#8217;s something to aspire to!</p>
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		<title>Comment on And Now, a Lapsed Catholic Moment by WordNerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordNerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>—“Next great Catholic.” Who was the last? (ha-ha-ha)

&lt;em&gt;Thomas More! You read &quot;Wolf Hall!&quot; ;)&lt;/em&gt;

—”the Helix Lounge”. Is that the place we went with the…um, my former colleagues? Come on. $2 PBR. Even a lapsed Catholic would love that!

&lt;em&gt;Si. It would&#039;ve been better had there been Miller Lite on tap (who can drink that crap?).&lt;/em&gt;

—”every evil womankind has every wrought on Church, God, country, and pious man.” So the course still continues? They can’t be done yet, can they? :D

&lt;em&gt;Unfortunately, joking aside, they&#039;re never done.&lt;/em&gt;

—”I had to peek on the first few tries because I did not know the super, awesomely-powered, ultra-protective cross.” This reminds me of the times I was forced to sing “Hail to the Victors.”

&lt;em&gt;I want to be shocked you didn&#039;t know &quot;Hail to the Victors,&quot; but I have to remind myself you didn&#039;t grow up in Michigan. Our kids will know it, though. ;)&lt;/em&gt;

—”my face is set in a scowl, my eyes purposely set away from the camera and looking off into the distance, clutching…” So, like every other picture of you?

&lt;em&gt;That&#039;s why I&#039;m a logo, baby!&lt;/em&gt;

—”everyone around me seemed to be enjoying every minute of it” you’re a natural-born anthropologist, just like me.

&lt;em&gt;I try to sit back and be amused, but it&#039;s taxing, isn&#039;t it? :/&lt;/em&gt;

—”sacrifice a little bit of my soul just to eat a wafer.” Oh gosh honey, we need to send you back there. The wafer is to SAVE your soul. Save it, hon. Save.

&lt;em&gt;As Principal Skinner once said on The Simpsons: &quot;How ironic.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

—”ceremony without belief is meaningless. It’s false to go through empty motions just to make family happy.” Holy schmoly – don’t let my mom hear you say this part.

&lt;em&gt;Yeah, the whole bris ceremony if we have a baby boy? Yeah, no. How many points will that cost me with your mom? Hmm . . .&lt;/em&gt;

—”steer IP and me toward a Catholic wedding” Someone would have blown a gasket at this. Maybe mi tio. Ha.

&lt;em&gt;Instead of me blowing a gasket at him, like in real life? ;)&lt;/em&gt;

—”We will teach any kids we may have about…” total agreement on all this.

&lt;em&gt;:)&lt;/em&gt;

Very well-done – I really enjoyed reading this.

&lt;em&gt;Aww, thanks! :)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>—“Next great Catholic.” Who was the last? (ha-ha-ha)</p>
<p><em>Thomas More! You read &#8220;Wolf Hall!&#8221; ;)</em></p>
<p>—”the Helix Lounge”. Is that the place we went with the…um, my former colleagues? Come on. $2 PBR. Even a lapsed Catholic would love that!</p>
<p><em>Si. It would&#8217;ve been better had there been Miller Lite on tap (who can drink that crap?).</em></p>
<p>—”every evil womankind has every wrought on Church, God, country, and pious man.” So the course still continues? They can’t be done yet, can they? :D</p>
<p><em>Unfortunately, joking aside, they&#8217;re never done.</em></p>
<p>—”I had to peek on the first few tries because I did not know the super, awesomely-powered, ultra-protective cross.” This reminds me of the times I was forced to sing “Hail to the Victors.”</p>
<p><em>I want to be shocked you didn&#8217;t know &#8220;Hail to the Victors,&#8221; but I have to remind myself you didn&#8217;t grow up in Michigan. Our kids will know it, though. ;)</em></p>
<p>—”my face is set in a scowl, my eyes purposely set away from the camera and looking off into the distance, clutching…” So, like every other picture of you?</p>
<p><em>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a logo, baby!</em></p>
<p>—”everyone around me seemed to be enjoying every minute of it” you’re a natural-born anthropologist, just like me.</p>
<p><em>I try to sit back and be amused, but it&#8217;s taxing, isn&#8217;t it? :/</em></p>
<p>—”sacrifice a little bit of my soul just to eat a wafer.” Oh gosh honey, we need to send you back there. The wafer is to SAVE your soul. Save it, hon. Save.</p>
<p><em>As Principal Skinner once said on The Simpsons: &#8220;How ironic.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>—”ceremony without belief is meaningless. It’s false to go through empty motions just to make family happy.” Holy schmoly – don’t let my mom hear you say this part.</p>
<p><em>Yeah, the whole bris ceremony if we have a baby boy? Yeah, no. How many points will that cost me with your mom? Hmm . . .</em></p>
<p>—”steer IP and me toward a Catholic wedding” Someone would have blown a gasket at this. Maybe mi tio. Ha.</p>
<p><em>Instead of me blowing a gasket at him, like in real life? ;)</em></p>
<p>—”We will teach any kids we may have about…” total agreement on all this.</p>
<p><em>:)</em></p>
<p>Very well-done – I really enjoyed reading this.</p>
<p><em>Aww, thanks! :)</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on And Now, a Lapsed Catholic Moment by IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great! Very entertaining.

Some rxns:

---“Next great Catholic.” Who was the last? (ha-ha-ha)

---&quot;the Helix Lounge&quot;. Is that the place we went with the...um, my former colleagues? Come on. $2 PBR. Even a lapsed Catholic would love that!

---&quot;every evil womankind has every wrought on Church, God, country, and pious man.&quot; So the course still continues? They can&#039;t be done yet, can they? :D

---&quot;I had to peek on the first few tries because I did not know the super, awesomely-powered, ultra-protective cross.&quot; This reminds me of the times I was forced to sing &quot;Hail to the Victors.&quot;

---&quot;my face is set in a scowl, my eyes purposely set away from the camera and looking off into the distance, clutching...&quot; So, like every other picture of you? 

---&quot;everyone around me seemed to be enjoying every minute of it&quot; you&#039;re a natural-born anthropologist, just like me.

---&quot;sacrifice a little bit of my soul just to eat a wafer.&quot; Oh gosh honey, we need to send you back there. The wafer is to SAVE your soul. Save it, hon. Save.

---&quot;ceremony without belief is meaningless. It’s false to go through empty motions just to make family happy.&quot; Holy schmoly - don&#039;t let my mom hear you say this part.

---&quot;steer IP and me toward a Catholic wedding&quot; Someone would have blown a gasket at this. Maybe mi tio. Ha.

---&quot;We will teach any kids we may have about...&quot; total agreement on all this.

Very well-done - I really enjoyed reading this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great! Very entertaining.</p>
<p>Some rxns:</p>
<p>&#8212;“Next great Catholic.” Who was the last? (ha-ha-ha)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;the Helix Lounge&#8221;. Is that the place we went with the&#8230;um, my former colleagues? Come on. $2 PBR. Even a lapsed Catholic would love that!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;every evil womankind has every wrought on Church, God, country, and pious man.&#8221; So the course still continues? They can&#8217;t be done yet, can they? :D</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;I had to peek on the first few tries because I did not know the super, awesomely-powered, ultra-protective cross.&#8221; This reminds me of the times I was forced to sing &#8220;Hail to the Victors.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;my face is set in a scowl, my eyes purposely set away from the camera and looking off into the distance, clutching&#8230;&#8221; So, like every other picture of you? </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;everyone around me seemed to be enjoying every minute of it&#8221; you&#8217;re a natural-born anthropologist, just like me.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;sacrifice a little bit of my soul just to eat a wafer.&#8221; Oh gosh honey, we need to send you back there. The wafer is to SAVE your soul. Save it, hon. Save.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;ceremony without belief is meaningless. It’s false to go through empty motions just to make family happy.&#8221; Holy schmoly &#8211; don&#8217;t let my mom hear you say this part.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;steer IP and me toward a Catholic wedding&#8221; Someone would have blown a gasket at this. Maybe mi tio. Ha.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8221;We will teach any kids we may have about&#8230;&#8221; total agreement on all this.</p>
<p>Very well-done &#8211; I really enjoyed reading this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Assessment of Better by IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sucks about the Fallada book, though since I haven&#039;t read &quot;The Drinker&quot; yet, I guess I really can&#039;t complain.

Sounds like you&#039;re making good progress on all fronts. And those weight workouts you&#039;ve been doing look killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sucks about the Fallada book, though since I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;The Drinker&#8221; yet, I guess I really can&#8217;t complain.</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re making good progress on all fronts. And those weight workouts you&#8217;ve been doing look killer.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sonnet 87 &#187; An Assessment of Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally, Searching for a New Job: I am searching for a new job. However, as I mentioned a few posts ago, I dropped that whole D.C. thing and decided to focus on my efforts on getting out West. IP has [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Myth and a Woman I Sing: The Book List by Sonnet 87 &#187; An Assessment of Better</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonnet 87 &#187; An Assessment of Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was complaining the other day to IP that I&#8217;ve only read eight books this year. He shrugged at me and said, &#8220;So? I&#8217;ve only read five.&#8221; I then looked [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was complaining the other day to IP that I&#8217;ve only read eight books this year. He shrugged at me and said, &#8220;So? I&#8217;ve only read five.&#8221; I then looked [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thirty-seven (37) Years by IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Anniversary, Mr. and Mrs. WordNerd!</description>
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